Much of the information in this article is wrong or misleading. People who decide to write about LLMs should partner with someone who actually understands the technology. Lots of good stuff in this piece, but next time run it by someone who works with these things at a more intimate, technical level.
Speaking as an amateur artist, your average artist really is extremely neurotic and in some way unwell. People will absolutely pay an artist for good work as opposed to using an AI if said artist can prove they will deliver. That becomes a lot riskier ground to tread when 80% of artists spend more time on Twitter whining about how badly their last piece performed than actually working on anything or trying to understand what happened. The best artists are the best people in general, they keep complaining to a minimum and are grateful about whatever reach they do have.
Once AI fixes it's art-dementia, comic artists are in trouble. If AI could consistently reproduce the Hypergamouse style, say, an episode could be illustrated in seconds instead of hours.
I haven't even begun dabbling in AI art yet because the whole thing intimidates and confuses me.
Having made a few PC games, there is nothing less reliable than an artist. I will exclusively rely on pre-made art packs, because I dont want to waste my time dealing with artists flaking and turning in crap work, when they turn in amazing work to someone else for less money because they prefer things that way today.
Artists are their own worst enemies in the commercial world. They also like to spend too long on details that don't matter when they should be in pipeline mode, it's just not a talent that lends itself to making money or happy customers.
On the flip side, sound guys are rock solid, and get things done fast and cheaply, I've had a lot of good success with audio guys, buy unfortunately there isn't an incentive to pay them very much for their great work, because they can do it fast and so can 100K other people.
I definitely second the stupidity of artists...bless their hearts. Having had minor success with some European freelance artists, I turned to an American digital artist and offered a market rate commission of a single piece and their agent said they weren't interested. Given that their known work time on a piece is 8-10 hours, I found it very strange that they'd flat out reject the commission - one days work. So, I turned to a few different AI engines and with some of this tips for art generation SDL has dropped here, I had a piece that was "good enough" within an hour. For free.
Any artist who's any good will find an audience. There will always be people who want the artisenal. The mediocre ones will be replaced, but that's nothing new. A lot of commies are gonna lose their nepo-jobs, which is good.
I have several talented artists in my family - each of them has gone the "I'm toooo edgy to do what customers/managers/agencies/producers want - that would be selling out." So they make just enough to scratch by, sliding into obscurity because they can't be GREAT. AI is going to make even scratching by impossible.
Great post! It offers me a new perspective on AI. In fact, I believe AI will neither surpass nor replace humans. The pictures clearly show the difference. AI doesn’t seem to capture the same magic that a real artist does.
I understand that if you're looking for reliability and consistency, AI might be better, but as the market becomes more saturated with superficial AI art, people will start searching for something unique again. The true magic is only found in human art, as far as I’ve seen.
I think the digital dementia is due to token size. The Ai can only "think" until the token is full, then it suddenly becomes incoherent.
The question then is whether token size will increase according to Moore's law. If it does, then in another decade or two the AIs will be able to remember your conversations, and in a few decades after that they will remember everyone' conversations.
But I am not certain because I do not understand how AI "thinks." If the thinking is analyzing every piece of information in relation to every other piece of information in the entire conversation, then the increase in token size will be exponential, and it will take far longer for AI to remember long detailed conversation series.
That AI image of the Spring Queen is impressive. I’m guessing you created it with a tool other than Bing. I wonder if AI will reach the point where it can reliably replace comic book artists.
I do oil paintings and murals, what your beautiful leather bound books are for authors and book lovers, preservers of the west, these, physical, archival quality paintings are for art lovers and collectors. Or the Swiss chocolate of paintings. Ai has been very useful for quick mock ups for a patron, for example, or when a model isn’t available. I just finished one that I used ai initially, like a quick sketch mock up, but realistic light throughout or things like getting the right kind of tree for a particular landscape is still problematic and all those I put in the actual physical artwork later, much to the delight of the patron. As the actual painting is far superior to the ai mock up. But that may change with the next gen of ai.
At the art school in Florence that I went to in 2007, we in the painting department had discussed the changes in photography over the years. That was at the height of digital photography when a singe photographer could take thousands of useless photos, before the exponentially worse i-phone photography and everyone has thousands of useless photos, and now we have ai illustration. It mostly has increased the amount of slop, leaving the actual quality work even more rare. Like taking a sapphire mine and burying it under a million yards of gravel. Just more rough to sort through to get to the gems.
Van Gogh never sold a painting and wasn’t it Rembrandt that died broke? What’s new? The painted cave has been with us since the beginning.
Davinci had many tools in his tool box, I never shy away from adding a new useful tool to my own and ai is an amazing tool. I wouldn’t say it gives me better results, far from it, is most useful in showing to a patron who simply doesn’t have the hardware to visualize themselves. It has essentially replaced napkin sketches for me.
I've only used it with digital media so far, but your process sounds similar to mine. Great for mockups, basic arrangements and reference images, but not quite right for the finished products.
I would think oil painting especially would be hard to replace, the physical material itself is an intrinsic part of the finished product: the fragrance of the paint, the texture of it against the canvas that can be almost sculptural depending on your style, even the way it interacts with the canvas. I know digital images can be printed on canvas to great effect, but it still isn't the same.
Clown world has been attempting to come up with reproductions that replace the real thing since they couldn’t do it. So they came up with an art style that didn’t need skill or sense of the good, beautiful, and the true. eg. prints of a the beautiful works of Van Gogh are nothing like the actual paintings some of which are very sculptural. Van Gogh rejected their print making path for making actual art from life. But the clown world Andy Warhol used a mechanical device to draw and used screen printing to mass produce them and sell them in classic clown world style. Dali mocked these sort of print selling grablers when he signed 10,000 blank sheets of print size pieces of paper as a joke. Oil paint, made basically of crushed gems and minerals, applied to the incredibly long lasting and light weight high frequency material of pure linen, by a spirit in a living body, as Aristotle says, ‘imitating” the good, the beautiful, and the true. Good thing some of the other spirits in living bodies, with eyes to see, still prefer those to the reproductions. Some literally can’t see beauty and won’t care either way.
Miles has exposed many frauds including Warhol. He’s missing the spiritual aspect and he’s stuck in mud and mist visually looking for the light but never stepping into it. The original abstract artist was a witch painting spiritual visions, “The roots of fully abstract art - works by the early twentieth-century Modernists such as Kandinsky, Mondrian, Malevich - applied the materials of painting to the world of spiritual visions. And though it's only nowAnd though it's only now becoming widely known, Swedish artist Hilma af Klint (1862-1944) pioneered it first. Begun in 1909, Hilma af Klint's abstract paintings preceded Kandinsky's better-known abstractions by five or six years.” This was in a contemporary art publication for artists and collectors. Chesterton wrote, “Art as a symbol that expresses very real spiritualities under the surface of life.” The artists who designed the tabernacle in Exodus were the first people in the Bible recorded as being filled with the Spirit of God. A necessary notation by the author Moses I think in part because the artists frequently were commissioned to make idols. Vox even recently said that most art degree holders he’d met were lunatics, I’d second that. Imagine the guy, for instance, who designed and made the Moleck sculpture whose hands would be heated red hot so babies when placed in the hands would flinch and roll into the fire? You’d want to go Midnights War on them. A demonic artist named Alex Grey who designed the album artwork for Tool shows in a self portrait the demon moving his paintbrush. Similar to the occult automatic writing, or in tech the guy who invented the xerox machine received instructions on how from a spirit guide, advanced printmaking again. ai will be that as well when paired with VR goggles or Implants. Counterfeiting the Holy Spirit. Even original VR tech was developed the same way but with the added purpose of inducing astral projection in unsuspecting normal people. Jesus said, ‘the eyes are the window to the soul, if your eye is good then your whole body will be filled with light but if the eye is bad then darkness, and how great is that darkness.’ Paul said ‘For we are saved by grace through faith not by works so that no once can boast and are a masterpiece created anew in Christ Jesus to do the good works which God planned for us long ago.’ A city on a hill cannot be hidden, let your light shine before men.
I've tried to hire a broke artist for three easy projects, paid partial in advance twice, and yet to see any result from it. Just useless.
You need a good editor. I'm not available.
Much of the information in this article is wrong or misleading. People who decide to write about LLMs should partner with someone who actually understands the technology. Lots of good stuff in this piece, but next time run it by someone who works with these things at a more intimate, technical level.
Speaking as an amateur artist, your average artist really is extremely neurotic and in some way unwell. People will absolutely pay an artist for good work as opposed to using an AI if said artist can prove they will deliver. That becomes a lot riskier ground to tread when 80% of artists spend more time on Twitter whining about how badly their last piece performed than actually working on anything or trying to understand what happened. The best artists are the best people in general, they keep complaining to a minimum and are grateful about whatever reach they do have.
Once AI fixes it's art-dementia, comic artists are in trouble. If AI could consistently reproduce the Hypergamouse style, say, an episode could be illustrated in seconds instead of hours.
I haven't even begun dabbling in AI art yet because the whole thing intimidates and confuses me.
Having made a few PC games, there is nothing less reliable than an artist. I will exclusively rely on pre-made art packs, because I dont want to waste my time dealing with artists flaking and turning in crap work, when they turn in amazing work to someone else for less money because they prefer things that way today.
Artists are their own worst enemies in the commercial world. They also like to spend too long on details that don't matter when they should be in pipeline mode, it's just not a talent that lends itself to making money or happy customers.
On the flip side, sound guys are rock solid, and get things done fast and cheaply, I've had a lot of good success with audio guys, buy unfortunately there isn't an incentive to pay them very much for their great work, because they can do it fast and so can 100K other people.
I definitely second the stupidity of artists...bless their hearts. Having had minor success with some European freelance artists, I turned to an American digital artist and offered a market rate commission of a single piece and their agent said they weren't interested. Given that their known work time on a piece is 8-10 hours, I found it very strange that they'd flat out reject the commission - one days work. So, I turned to a few different AI engines and with some of this tips for art generation SDL has dropped here, I had a piece that was "good enough" within an hour. For free.
I learned that day why artists are starving.
Any artist who's any good will find an audience. There will always be people who want the artisenal. The mediocre ones will be replaced, but that's nothing new. A lot of commies are gonna lose their nepo-jobs, which is good.
I have several talented artists in my family - each of them has gone the "I'm toooo edgy to do what customers/managers/agencies/producers want - that would be selling out." So they make just enough to scratch by, sliding into obscurity because they can't be GREAT. AI is going to make even scratching by impossible.
Great post! It offers me a new perspective on AI. In fact, I believe AI will neither surpass nor replace humans. The pictures clearly show the difference. AI doesn’t seem to capture the same magic that a real artist does.
I understand that if you're looking for reliability and consistency, AI might be better, but as the market becomes more saturated with superficial AI art, people will start searching for something unique again. The true magic is only found in human art, as far as I’ve seen.
“Clown world has been attempting to come up with reproductions that replace the real thing”
Clown world is hoping tech can come up with more docile slave reproductions of humans. Hence the race to transhumanism or just robots
I think the digital dementia is due to token size. The Ai can only "think" until the token is full, then it suddenly becomes incoherent.
The question then is whether token size will increase according to Moore's law. If it does, then in another decade or two the AIs will be able to remember your conversations, and in a few decades after that they will remember everyone' conversations.
But I am not certain because I do not understand how AI "thinks." If the thinking is analyzing every piece of information in relation to every other piece of information in the entire conversation, then the increase in token size will be exponential, and it will take far longer for AI to remember long detailed conversation series.
That AI image of the Spring Queen is impressive. I’m guessing you created it with a tool other than Bing. I wonder if AI will reach the point where it can reliably replace comic book artists.
That was OpenArt.ai. It's very impressive and excellent for cover images, but not reliable enough to serve as a comic book illustrator.
So AI is going to replace pajeets?
Moving information from one place to another is a great description of HR. I am going to use that.
I do oil paintings and murals, what your beautiful leather bound books are for authors and book lovers, preservers of the west, these, physical, archival quality paintings are for art lovers and collectors. Or the Swiss chocolate of paintings. Ai has been very useful for quick mock ups for a patron, for example, or when a model isn’t available. I just finished one that I used ai initially, like a quick sketch mock up, but realistic light throughout or things like getting the right kind of tree for a particular landscape is still problematic and all those I put in the actual physical artwork later, much to the delight of the patron. As the actual painting is far superior to the ai mock up. But that may change with the next gen of ai.
At the art school in Florence that I went to in 2007, we in the painting department had discussed the changes in photography over the years. That was at the height of digital photography when a singe photographer could take thousands of useless photos, before the exponentially worse i-phone photography and everyone has thousands of useless photos, and now we have ai illustration. It mostly has increased the amount of slop, leaving the actual quality work even more rare. Like taking a sapphire mine and burying it under a million yards of gravel. Just more rough to sort through to get to the gems.
There will always be a place for things made by a human, but only richer humans will care and be able to afford them.
Your use of AI for doing mockups is great, you arent knee jerk rejecting the tech, you're using it to get better results in your own work. Nice.
Van Gogh never sold a painting and wasn’t it Rembrandt that died broke? What’s new? The painted cave has been with us since the beginning.
Davinci had many tools in his tool box, I never shy away from adding a new useful tool to my own and ai is an amazing tool. I wouldn’t say it gives me better results, far from it, is most useful in showing to a patron who simply doesn’t have the hardware to visualize themselves. It has essentially replaced napkin sketches for me.
Do you use a website to prompt test pieces or do you have a local system?
Mostly just use Bing.
I've only used it with digital media so far, but your process sounds similar to mine. Great for mockups, basic arrangements and reference images, but not quite right for the finished products.
I would think oil painting especially would be hard to replace, the physical material itself is an intrinsic part of the finished product: the fragrance of the paint, the texture of it against the canvas that can be almost sculptural depending on your style, even the way it interacts with the canvas. I know digital images can be printed on canvas to great effect, but it still isn't the same.
I've been trying my hand at incorporating AI assistance in design as well.
If you aren't too picky, and if you can easily edit the results digitally, AI can speed up the process.
Cedar Sanderson is doing excellent work using AI as mixed media to create distinctive high-level illustrations in different styles.
Clown world has been attempting to come up with reproductions that replace the real thing since they couldn’t do it. So they came up with an art style that didn’t need skill or sense of the good, beautiful, and the true. eg. prints of a the beautiful works of Van Gogh are nothing like the actual paintings some of which are very sculptural. Van Gogh rejected their print making path for making actual art from life. But the clown world Andy Warhol used a mechanical device to draw and used screen printing to mass produce them and sell them in classic clown world style. Dali mocked these sort of print selling grablers when he signed 10,000 blank sheets of print size pieces of paper as a joke. Oil paint, made basically of crushed gems and minerals, applied to the incredibly long lasting and light weight high frequency material of pure linen, by a spirit in a living body, as Aristotle says, ‘imitating” the good, the beautiful, and the true. Good thing some of the other spirits in living bodies, with eyes to see, still prefer those to the reproductions. Some literally can’t see beauty and won’t care either way.
Read Miles Mathis' art site if you want to hear about how much work They put into destroying art and beauty.
It's been a long process of making people send children to MOMA to look at a banana taped to a wall.
Miles has exposed many frauds including Warhol. He’s missing the spiritual aspect and he’s stuck in mud and mist visually looking for the light but never stepping into it. The original abstract artist was a witch painting spiritual visions, “The roots of fully abstract art - works by the early twentieth-century Modernists such as Kandinsky, Mondrian, Malevich - applied the materials of painting to the world of spiritual visions. And though it's only nowAnd though it's only now becoming widely known, Swedish artist Hilma af Klint (1862-1944) pioneered it first. Begun in 1909, Hilma af Klint's abstract paintings preceded Kandinsky's better-known abstractions by five or six years.” This was in a contemporary art publication for artists and collectors. Chesterton wrote, “Art as a symbol that expresses very real spiritualities under the surface of life.” The artists who designed the tabernacle in Exodus were the first people in the Bible recorded as being filled with the Spirit of God. A necessary notation by the author Moses I think in part because the artists frequently were commissioned to make idols. Vox even recently said that most art degree holders he’d met were lunatics, I’d second that. Imagine the guy, for instance, who designed and made the Moleck sculpture whose hands would be heated red hot so babies when placed in the hands would flinch and roll into the fire? You’d want to go Midnights War on them. A demonic artist named Alex Grey who designed the album artwork for Tool shows in a self portrait the demon moving his paintbrush. Similar to the occult automatic writing, or in tech the guy who invented the xerox machine received instructions on how from a spirit guide, advanced printmaking again. ai will be that as well when paired with VR goggles or Implants. Counterfeiting the Holy Spirit. Even original VR tech was developed the same way but with the added purpose of inducing astral projection in unsuspecting normal people. Jesus said, ‘the eyes are the window to the soul, if your eye is good then your whole body will be filled with light but if the eye is bad then darkness, and how great is that darkness.’ Paul said ‘For we are saved by grace through faith not by works so that no once can boast and are a masterpiece created anew in Christ Jesus to do the good works which God planned for us long ago.’ A city on a hill cannot be hidden, let your light shine before men.
"So if you ever wondered why it takes so long to finish a comic book project, now you know. "
"All artists are flakes." - artist Alex Ross.